Nhs

[Tinsley Green]

I can't hear it anymore this constant harping on about the NHS. Everyone goes on about France and Germany and Scandinavia having better systems but is the argument really so simple. I tried very hard to find figures and it wasn't easy. Initial thoughts on what I discovered and it is open to correction as I am relying on the internet, is that it is the fault of all governments over many years as they are not prepared to be open and honest and tell us that we need to pay more.

France and Germany pay far more into their systems, the German budget is almost double ours (in cash, not gdp percentages and shit like that) whilst France is about 30% more. But its not that simple because where is the money actually coming from?

From what I can gather in both France and Germany people have to have social health insurance. It is state controlled in terms of what the insurers have to provide as a service and how much (as a percentage of your pay) you need to cough up but otherwise privately but socially run. You hear little criticism of these systems and France was actually voted the best health system in the world by the OECD. But how much does it actually cost joe bloggs out of his wage?

I ask because I am becoming increasingly worried that our NHS is underfunded because we expect something for nothing and it aint going happen. I have heard stories (not confirmed) that Germans, French and Scandinavians are paying anything up to a thousand quid a month (shared 50/50 with employer) for access to their healthcare system. On top of this comes tax, pension deductions etc. etc..

Now if that is true, then the NHS hasn't got a hope in hell of competing. And if that is true then all governments over many years have basically been misleading the public as to what we can really expect from our national health system.

Anyone got any experience of abroad cos nobody in the uk really talks about this aspect, its just continuous mud slinging from both sides that the other is to blame.
Are our demands on the government unreasonable considering what we actually pay?

[Jarwot]

The UK NHS was no doubt a world forerunner in access to health for everyone. But abused by both users and multi-layered management/government run system. Poor management has allowed working practices and control to be virtually impossible. Guess most of us can see problems which seem to have no solution with the NHS. What happened to that politician who looked at the way a hospital was run and stated why were consultants rolling in at mid morning out of step with everyone else, because their private patients were the priority. Nothing! State run training with no commitment to the NHS on graduation still the norm. I'm lucky I live in an area currently not over populated so get great service from the NHS. --- But it is a bit annoying having to use my own car and fuel to go and see a doctor!!! Must be someone I can complain to.

[Doc]

Not to worry. All sorted by the savings from Brexit.

[Tinsley Green]

As no one has responded to the comments actually made can I assume you all want something for nothing?

[Jarwot]

Something for nothing! Maybe that is our legacy living in a country where there does seem to be a lot of support for those amongst us with nothing less on their minds. Having lived in a lot of countries where one has to look after one needs and obligations especially having responsibilities for children. So it does annoy just a tad listening to the moaners.

[Tinsley Green]

and how does something for nothing function? how do all the incurred costs get covered?

[Jarwot]

I really hope not, but not holding my breath, guess some of my tax is actually being given to the undeserving!

[Tinsley Green]

were you or are you still a conny?

[Jarwot]

Never had the skill level to be a connie! Always employed by various airlines and had the luck to be involved with new aircraft introduction and end of lease returns lots of airworthiness related positions. Basically nomadic I guess. Due to traveling did once or twice have dealings with the medical side of some countries. Paying for cover for yourself and family does bring home just how lucky I am having the NHS in the background.

[Tinsley Green]

An ambulance service has apologised after a pensioner with chest pains died while waiting almost four hours for paramedics to arrive.

Hello, its time to wake up. This is disgraceful. A lot of persons claiming to be socialists posting here yet none or very few prepared to dig into their pocket and pay more so this sort of shit doesn't happen. This is not first class service its third world.