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    Anyway there was a bit of an uproar at our meeting with the union about this being a consultation and not negotiations and it would seem that the overtime guys all of a sudden became not available so the company panicked after a few days and changed it to negotiation and extended the time by 30 days as the flight line does not run very well without OT .The OCG contracts that are coming in don't look very good at all but will probably be a few years till it affects all that are left and there will be no union recognition at all , I'm surprised the union hasn't made lots of noises about this before now .

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    What is an OCG contract?

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    The OCG contract was first got in at Gatwick I Believe. Anyway it's minimum pay, annualised hours, no staff travel, sick pay at the discretion of management, not allowed to join a union, less annual leave and the disciplinary procedure reduced to about one page with no appeal allowed.
    In short the type of terms that would make any decent human being blush.
    Er,I never touched it - it came off in me hand

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    Quote Originally Posted by Botch Casually View Post
    The OCG contract was first got in at Gatwick I Believe. Anyway it's minimum pay, annualised hours, no staff travel, sick pay at the discretion of management, not allowed to join a union, less annual leave and the disciplinary procedure reduced to about one page with no appeal allowed.
    In short the type of terms that would make any decent human being blush.
    I may be at risk of appearing a bit thick but what or who is OCG? Is this BA Engineering?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Jampton View Post
    I may be at risk of appearing a bit thick but what or who is OCG? Is this BA Engineering?
    "OUR COLLEAGUE GUIDE" Basically a new terms and conditions contract that check in and a few others are currently on, better off being a contractor quite honestly than permanent on OCG.

    While its easter sunday i would like to say a huge congratulations to the messiah and the rest of the ELT, they have achieved far more of a moral boost to the FSDE,s AMS,s LAE,s Mechanics and Mo,s than AK or GC could ever have dreamt off, congratulations to you all a great achievement !

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    Latest on the restructuring at present is LAEs with both b1 and b2 with no cover or one cover to start with will be on about 54,500 per year and called LAE1 ,present LAE 2 with restricted b1 or b2 will be called LAE2 and on about 52k and an unrestricted b1 or b2 will be on 1k more than that ,present LAE1 will be the new LAE3 and be on 2k more than the present LAE1 .
    The biggest fly in the ointment is the OCG contracts that are coming in later for everyone ,it may be 5 years or more but they are coming .
    M/Os are still to be called M/Os but their pay is still to be negotiated to a proper level .
    What’s the real difference between OCG contracts and what we are on now .

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    As I understand it OCG contracts provide for;-
    Much lower pay
    Sick pay is at managers discretion, so you won't get that
    Annualised hours ( and all that that brings)
    Less leave than current staff
    Much harsher disciplinary process with no right of appeal
    Not allowed to join a union
    Limited or no staff travel.

    Suddenly stacking shelves in Tescos looks good.
    Last edited by Botch Casually; April 22nd, 2018 at 16:50. Reason: Missed one
    Er,I never touched it - it came off in me hand

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    So you’re thinking this new structure will be undone when ocg contracts come in and everyone, LAES included, will get a pay cut? Or just new staff? Or just MOs, Mechs and Techs?

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    Not allowed to join a union]

    Yeah right.

    https://worksmart.org.uk/work-rights...er-trade-union

    CAN MY EMPLOYER PREVENT ME FROM BECOMING A MEMBER OF A TRADE UNION?
    No. Every worker has a right, by law, to choose whether or not to belong to a trade union. Action by the employer aimed at preventing a worker from exercising this right, whether at the recruitment stage, during employment or by termination of employment, is unlawful.

    If your employer tries to prevent or discourage you from joining a union, for example by threatening you with the loss of a benefit, or by offering you some benefit in return for not joining, seek advice as early as possible. The union will be well placed to sort things out.

    Under section 145A of the Trade Union and Labour Relations Consolidation Act 1992, it is unlawful for an employer to offer a worker an inducement not to join a union or to take part in union activities.

    It is also against the law for your employer to refuse you employment, dismiss you or subject you to any detriment because your name appears on a ‘blacklist’ (a list of individuals who have been or are trade union members, or who have taken or are taking part in trade union activities). The relevant law is regulation 5 of the Employment Relations Act 1999 Blacklists Regulations 2010.

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    Well Hugh those are the details as the BA rumour mill has them. As usual neither the management or the union are providing any hard information. So either the rumour mill is wrong or BA trying to ignore, (or circumvent), the legislation, either being equally possible.
    The union and management are 'consulting' one another about the restructuring program with neither group consulting or informing the staff. I must ask my shop steward to remind me why I pay my dues.
    In lieu of facts we will have to make do with rumour.
    Er,I never touched it - it came off in me hand

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