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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil Armstrong View Post
    Hi Litebulbs, just vote for Mr Corbyn next time and if we are out of the EU he can change the law to even more socially balanced ways. The point is we will be in control of Westminster once again not the EU. I don't get why the UK needs to be behold-ant to a greater parliament such as the EU, trade with Europe yes but be politically bound up with it, no thanks.

    Let's be positive about this and get on with it, we will survive!
    I think you are mixing up socialist with socially. Very different meanings.

    We were and are always in control of Westminster. The EU has been blamed for 'imposing' a multitude of regulations and laws on the UK. But the UK could at anu time veto those rules. They chose not to, mostly. Prime example. Burgundy passports. We could have yellow with pink dots if we wanted, we chose to have a common colour with the rest of (most anyway) the EU.

    It is, however necessary to follow the same rules if you are going to trade as partners. Hence all the garbage about bananas. This is not being beholdent, it is necessary.

    By the way, yes I am one of those who is quite happy to be part of a Federal Europe. Seems to work across the pond.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Jampton View Post
    I think you are mixing up socialist with socially. Very different meanings.

    We were and are always in control of Westminster. The EU has been blamed for 'imposing' a multitude of regulations and laws on the UK. But the UK could at anu time veto those rules. They chose not to, mostly. Prime example. Burgundy passports. We could have yellow with pink dots if we wanted, we chose to have a common colour with the rest of (most anyway) the EU.

    It is, however necessary to follow the same rules if you are going to trade as partners. Hence all the garbage about bananas. This is not being beholdent, it is necessary.

    By the way, yes I am one of those who is quite happy to be part of a Federal Europe. Seems to work across the pond.
    Exactly Hugh.. Brexiteers have caused so much damage. Labour and Tory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil Armstrong View Post
    Let's be positive about this and get on with it, we will survive!
    Come on, what will be better? I don't want to just survive. If there was an all out nuclear war, some might survive. I am in no way saying thing will not be better, I just want to know what you think will be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alber Ratman View Post
    Prosper we will not. I will not go down the nationalist or rascist route. I voted remain because the reasons why we joined the EEC are as valid as they were in 1973 and when Labour held the referendum in 1975 (You must be in the early 60 year old bracket just to miss it as I was 9 when it happened. not in 1974, seems my 52 year old memory is better that your older one, that is scary for certification BTW, I do refer to the AMM IAW). Reason why we fought to get into the EEC (that always had some political union thrown in the general plan to kill the reason for conflict) was our empire driven economy was dying. Saw that with my grandfathers business being strong in the 50s with the output being killed in the 60s (or was that the Conservative gerrymandering doing so.. my grandfather was incomptent as a manager, bloody awful really, reason I am not in manufacturing and in Aviation) . I did 25 years in the military, I had little interest is the civvy world and was late into it, however I saw Germany in the late 80s for 3 years and got a taste of European life. Way better that the UK fighting and pissed up scene of the day. I would go on about my experinces afterwards (but that would be boring). Brexit as it will be for a regional airline LAE has been damaging NOW. The uncertainly has killed profits in hedging already and I fear will carry on to do so. it will kill any right for my airline to expand into Europe and they with have to fight for the rights they had under open skies. You can quote IACO as much as you like, but they are guides, not lower level rules. I lose the cover rights I had when I had to travel abroad to work to medical cover. I have had to travel to Europe to cover and with the EHIC I had, I knew I was safe. Mate of mine cost 20000 quid as he did not. But really, I have no problem with the EU. As Lightbulbs has stated, EU regs are fair an well balanced rules in the main, the Comission draft but they do not dicate, the Council of Ministers sign the regs off after agreement of the majority. You do not get that with the t0$$ers like Ress Mogg, whom self centred reasoning comes into play. AND A FEDERAL EUROPE WILL NOT HAPPEN. No Government minister on QT tonight either. Oh, my kids are European big time and I think for my kids (eldest at 20 travelled around the EU by herself). I have little time for your arguements.
    I totally agree with what Alber has said, and I also voted remain as I was in the UK at the time. However I feel I kept the politics out of my decision. For me it came down to the fact that for most of my 52 years I have had the right to move around, work and live in Europe without restriction. I did not feel I had the right to take all those options away, or at the minimum make them more complicated, from my kids and future generations based on some notion of "independence" being sold by the Leave side of the argument.

    The UK has held veto rights on most things proposed by Europe, and as Litebulbs said...we did and did not use that veto where required. The UK has always had control of it's borders and government. The idea of a Federal States of Europe is merely a concept mainly thrown around by the anti-Europe side of the Conservative party and Daily Mail in defence of their position. I have never really seen it stated as an aim or policy by the EU.

    This has all come about because Cameron gambled on trying to appease the anti-euro wing of the Conservatives, instead of dealing with them properly and showing some leadership. He could have quite easily have asked them to leave and join UKIP, but then he would have lost the parliamentary majority. The people would then have had clear choice who they wanted to vote for as well if they felt so strongly on the EU matter. Pure political cock-up.
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    I travelled and worked in Europe when you needed a work permit, easily gained, no problem, no big deal, I have worked and lived in countries outside the EU no big deal, the world is available to all those people that have the skills and the qualifications that other countries want and need, the idea that you need an EU in order to travel around Europe is ridiculous, young people seem to think the EU is so cool simply because you can visit any part of it without having your passport stamped yet fail to consider it's problems. The EU of course loves this as that way no one questions why Germany and France dominate at every level, they push and get everything they want, imagine if German car makers were to try and sell their luxury cars in Deutsche marks as opposed to crappy little euros? They would be twice as expensive in the USA and the rest of the world, we are walking towards history again Europe, Italy bankrupt, Greece in shackles, Germany ruling and France following.

    We are reaching the point where our Government will 'attempt' to do what the referendum result asked it to do, whether it actually achieves any of this remains to be seen, me personally thinks we will never leave the EU, the establishment will get its way and the little man/woman will be ignored once again, civil servants, big business will win in the end. No wonder the extremes of the political boundaries are once again upon us, populism is seen as fascism but is actually just people shouting out desperate to be heard and listened too, the Liberal elite keep telling us how dumb we are and they know better. I pity the future for young people who seem more interested in Facebook and Instagram not to realise that Rome is burning behind them, they are fed crap from the media and take it all in, I have been fortunate in my previous jobs to have travelled all over the world and have seen how things don't work in third world countries, corruption, slavery, poverty to name a few and worry that we in the western world are failing to protect what makes us lucky and 'first world', god help us!

    It's good to chat by the way guys!

    Oh just remembered can anyone explain to me how Lufthansa Technik gets away with 'approved mechanics' wouldn't be anything to do with the fact they are German would it?

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    What will be better Neil? Will you be able to travel round Europe easier, the same, or harder? Will the UK pulling out of the block, make Germany stronger, the same or weaker. Will, the UK pulling out of the block make it stronger, the same or weaker (the same with France).

    Why is Rome burning behind the youth? I think there is enough recent history that shows populism, when carefully crafted, leads to extreme ideologies becoming the norm, by blaming others for everything that is wrong (but when things are not wrong, just not completely right).

    Go have a read of this outstanding evidence backed opinion book -

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0767FS7...ng=UTF8&btkr=1

    But back to the recent part of this thread, I do not see things getting better if we leave EASA land. It may not get worse, but bringing back penalty marking and an oral is not progression, it is just going back to what we "think" was better.

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    Received my IAA licence today (as transferred from U.K. CAA) no problems, and no I’m not resident in Ireland or working for an Irish company.

    It can be done!

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    Quote Originally Posted by litebulbs View Post
    But back to the recent part of this thread, I do not see things getting better if we leave EASA land. It may not get worse, but bringing back penalty marking and an oral is not progression, it is just going back to what we "think" was better.
    Leaving EASA will just make our routines slightly different in the way that we work.

    The 'Penalty' Vote for Joe and the dreaded Oral exams (my first (A&C Jet Heli's) was 4.5 hours!) were what made the difference between UK and Europe and created that access to most countries across the channel.

    And don't forget that, if it wasn't for the UK, there would not be any Aircraft Maintenance Licence in the EU region at all! We would all be, at best, an approved mechanic. EASA (i.e. Germany and France) may just see the UK's break away as the time to drive 'forward' to that cheaper system again.

    Again, all of this is speculation until someone makes a decision - if they haven't already but can't say until the okay from the politicos...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rigga View Post
    Leaving EASA will just make our routines slightly different in the way that we work.
    I think that could be you there with the biggest understatement of our time, relating to UK
    Last edited by litebulbs; October 22nd, 2018 at 21:42.

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    Indeed.
    Last edited by Capetown; November 11th, 2018 at 21:58.

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