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    Default Re: do we 'engineer' or do we follow procedures?

    Quote Originally Posted by No Smoking View Post
    The Maintenance Manager is exhibiting some complacency there. Casually introducing a field fix separate from the Design Office isn't going to help the organisation. The shiney metals we maintain have a way of carrying on long after we have moved on. Documented evidence recorded on drawings and Maintenance Manuals are the best legacy to guide those who have to maintain the aircraft and its systems long after our time.
    Spot on Smokey, this incident seems to be just one example of an ad-hoc engineering attitude towards approved compliance. He (my buddy) mentioned that the other aircraft he worked on also did nt follow wiring drawings, so his initial example was not isolated - which is why he walked - he got another job straight away, so he's a little wiser after this experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by litebulbs View Post
    An interesting contribution, litebulbs. The 31 pages will take a few nights to digest. I've had a quick scan and recommend a proper read up.
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    Outsourcing to a third party MRO with questionable profit motives. Amazing what yo see working in two different MROs in the same company. I saw expreicnced LAEs walking out of offices saying "I will not do that!" to guys of the same satus as their home base, but in charge. Gashness is not just an overseas thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarwot View Post
    Blxxdy hell Really worrying Maybe the guy should have taken his findings to the CAA.
    I would like to know how many people have made a complaint to the CAA and action was taken.

    I think they depend on people going through CHIRP. My complaint directly to the CA met a dead end, I was even pushing for feed back but was only told that they had checked the company and everything was in order. I asked them to get back to me before taking any action as I wanted to tell them what to look for but they did it their way.
    There was an eventual crash, one dead. I queried the report after doing a lot of research requested a review but it was not granted.

    I lost all faith in the CAA and the AAIB!

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    Quote Originally Posted by thistleblower View Post
    I would like to know how many people have made a complaint to the CAA and action was taken.

    I think they depend on people going through CHIRP. My complaint directly to the CA met a dead end, I was even pushing for feed back but was only told that they had checked the company and everything was in order. I asked them to get back to me before taking any action as I wanted to tell them what to look for but they did it their way.
    There was an eventual crash, one dead. I queried the report after doing a lot of research requested a review but it was not granted.

    I lost all faith in the CAA and the AAIB!
    The anonymity provided by CHIRP is useful. The way you went about contacting the CAA directly and even wishing to guide them would have raised alarm bells in their minds to classify you as someone with a hidden agenda.
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    Default Re: do we 'engineer' or do we follow procedures?

    Whistle blow -

    https://www.caa.co.uk/Our-work/Make-...lowing-policy/

    If anything happens -

    https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1998/23/section/5

    103A Protected disclosure.

    An employee who is dismissed shall be regarded for the purposes of this Part as unfairly dismissed if the reason (or, if more than one, the principal reason) for the dismissal is that the employee made a protected disclosure.”

    And if that becomes an issue with our NAA then whistle blow -

    https://www.easa.europa.eu/confident...fety-reporting

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    Default Re: do we 'engineer' or do we follow procedures?

    Quote Originally Posted by litebulbs
    And if that becomes an issue with our NAA then whistle blow -

    https://www.easa.europa.eu/confident...fety-reporting
    This bit may become N/A after Apil 12, 2019...
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