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  1. #31
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinsley Green View Post

    whats more worrying is your position of supporting terrorists and those that support terrorism over innocent citizens.


    @tom again no facts from you just repeating a view and not actually understanding the whole situation
    Tinsley -

    1. Please provide quote from my post where I have expressed any support of Begum, any ISIS bride or recruit, or any terrorist.
    2. Please could you point out from the information I provided in the links that isn't a fact.

    I suggest you start actually reading peoples posts and facts and stop inferring what they have said based on your opinions and/or what you want them to have said to fuel your view.

    Just because you believe that something is acceptable, doesn't make it legal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinsley Green View Post
    litebulbs tom got you off the hook nicely didn't he. you should withdraw you outrageous socialist claims of politicians bowing to pressure on this case.
    Can you explain to me how "politicians bowing to pressure" is a socialist claim? What is the ideological reasoning behind your statement?

    As to the subject matter, yes Tom was very eloquent.

    She is stateless and that is why the Home Secretary bowed to public pressure and the consequence was an innocent child’s death. However, judging by some of your posts, that child was acceptable collateral damage.....

  3. #33

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    @tomsawyer all of your links were to newspapers or tv channels who were presenting the position as they saw it. for example, below is not a fact relevant to this case. you need to be stripped of nationality and have nowhere to go. she has options.
    That is an important fact as it is illegal under a number of conventions to strip someone of their citizenship if they hold only one nationality as it renders them stateless; discussed here - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...s-9836652.html
    then you go on to say
    Applying these facts to this case -
    still no facts she is bangladeshi. Bangladeshi father they can't refuse under the same laws you quote to try and keep her british nationality.

    As unpalatable as it maybe to a lot of people - it maybe the case that she will have her UK Citizenship reinstated and she can return where no doubt various security agencies will take a keen interest.
    the last point may sound reasonable but then I would ask why are you posting in her defence by commentating that the UK has done something illegal?

  4. #34

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    @litebulbs

    She is stateless and that is why the Home Secretary bowed to public pressure and the consequence was an innocent child’s death
    both incorrect. Bangladesh can't refuse under the same laws you quote in defending her. Clever move by my national government which I unequivocally support. Problem is now theirs.

    Can you explain to me how "politicians bowing to pressure" is a socialist claim?
    Because it absolutely does not apply in this case following the small factual problem of her being number 67 this year to lose her nationality and not one previous case was in the media. It is indicative of an absolutely appallinging low level of opposition in politics at the moment and they latch on to any nonsense to score points.

    However the same applies to you as to Tom, why are you supporting a terrorist over your own government?

    she is entitled to be bangladeshi so she is not stateless. The same laws apply to her bangladeshi nationality claim. Her father is bangladeshi and lives in Bangladesh. get moving with the application I say.
    Last edited by Tinsley Green; March 15th, 2019 at 06:03.

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    **** all to do with aviation - moved to anything goes.
    Eat more pies....M0NCL


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinsley Green View Post
    both incorrect. Bangladesh can't refuse under the same laws you quote in defending her.
    Have a read of the following. The Bangledishi Foreign Minister was quite clear.

    https://www.unhcr.org/protection/sta...s-persons.html

  7. #37

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    oh dear oh dear.

    THE DEFINITION13. Article 1(1) of the 1954 Convention sets out the definition of a statelessperson as follows:For the purpose of this Convention, the term “stateless person” meansa person who is not considered as a national by any State under theoperation of its law.

    Although the definition in Article 1(1) is formulated in the negative (“notconsidered to be a national by any State”), an enquiry into whethersomeone is stateless is limited to the States with which a person enjoysa relevant link, in particular by birth on the territory, descent, marriage,adoption or habitual residence. In some cases this may limit the scopeof investigation to only one State
    Bangladeshi nationality law

    Jus sanguinis

    SHE IS BANGLADESHI

    So why are you defending terrorist supporters?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinsley Green View Post
    SHE IS BANGLADESHI
    Maybe read a bit further than the headline....

    (a) Meaning of “law”

    22. The reference to “law” in Article 1(1) should be read broadly to encompass not just legislation, but also ministerial decrees, regulations, orders, judicial case law (in countries with a tradition of precedent) and, where appropriate, customary practice.

    Then 23 & 24

  9. #39

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    according to bangladeshi law she has their nationality through birthright. Bangladesh has not revoked her nationality and now can't. Just like you when you were born, you were british, she is bangladeshi. You don't need to physically have a passport or have one removed from you. All your nonsense in protecting a terrorist sympathiser is based on a false assumption that she has no nationality. She does.

    Very clever and thought through move from the british government.

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    You are wrong.

    She is British. We have a legal system and if she is at fault she should have justice brought down on her. However and conveniently, she cannot now come back to the UK for a few years (her 21st birthday), where any slim question of nationality goes out of the window.

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